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Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

thatsright — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:23:49 -0000

The US immigration policy is the best of the world. For the country, not for the immigrants. So this guy comes here and works hard for cheap several years, paying taxes and generating a lot of money for the country. If he gets frustrated and wakes up he quits this slavery and goes back to his country. He sells his house, cars and goods, and the economy keeps turning.

Then another one comes and the story repeats. They do not stay here to enjoy retirement or anything. All money they generated goes towards the american citizens. Those can always apply for another job and even be jobless for some time without having to leave everything behind.

A small minority is lucky or brave enough to work under these conditions for several years and get their green cards.

There are jobs for everybody. Just like the employers who hire illegal immigrants, IT companies use the H1/L1 visa holders as cheap workforce. The government does not do anything because it is the best for the country. The economy keeps turning and prices remain affordable. Welcome to America.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

GeekMBA360 — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:12:35 -0000

Thanks for your comments! I appreciate your honesty and having the gut not to give in to the "indentured system of green card".

I think as developing countries such as India and China continue to develop, more and more professionals will choose to go back to these countries for better opportunities. In the past, the talents from developing countries have made huge contribution to the United States. I wouldn't be surprised that there would be a brain drain in the future if we continue the strict and unreasonable immigration policy with regard to work permit and green cards.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

paramvirsingh — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:47:29 -0000

I totally agree with you.I am myself graduated with an MS from US and worked from day 1 after graduating, changed jobs 2-3 times, once for green card issue. I told my company to file my green card or that I am leaving. I was laid off the next month. I got another better job within 10 days.

The only difference is I do not want to beg the government or the companies here. The last thing I want in life is someone exploiting me in the name or rules and laws.

I dont see any future for me and my family in this country. I have no rights no benefits and I pay $25K in just taxes alone every year. And I am moving out to Canada on immigration or in worst case back to Punjab and start farming my OWN land.

I dont want to be on my knees to get green card. I want it with my head high and fast or I am out of here. I can't be wasting precious years of my life paying heavy taxes without benefits and waiting in a line for green card hopelessly. Govt. here can change rules overnight and immigration dept. loves to play with highly educated professional's fates.

I did not had this attitude when I first came from India to US, but I got this attitude here only and now even India looks great and promising.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

truth — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:06:53 -0000

I completely agree with your comments on this.

H1B is not really for highly skilled resources (but for cheap, educated labors to do hard tasks). Those who work on H1B (well most of them) are from economically weaker class and really don't have much choice but to move to America to earn some money, return back their home and have safety net of money for future. They are really very poor and don't even have proper food just to save money. Further they slog day and night in front of their computers even after returning from work, just to keep themselves updated on new technology. One more thing is they can only work for their employer who sponsored their visa, who leverages them as best as he can.

These H1B holders pay for their visa with their own money, then fly to America with their own money and stay in some guest house, in large numbers; eat food just one time a day of minimum cost, work more then 16 hours a day and finally get paid only 30% to 40% of the actually salary. Once they get on projects, they become loyal hard workers because if they don't perform they will be thrown back to their native country.
More on this is they now want Green Card for which they slog 8 to 10 years of their life and by the time they get this they are already old and visibly weak.

I have personally seen this situations with my own eyes. H1B usually come through consulting companies and these companies hardly have any marketing arm, they work on corp-to-corp basis which means third party....makes situations further worst.

H1B consultant literally is asked to modify his resume latest 20 times in a day to submit for a particular requirement and he is also asked to learn the skills which he has never known in his entire career. Poor H1B consultant learns that and attempts for interview, rather getting an interview is itself a big challenge, because one Corporation sends his H1B consultants CV to another Corporation which in turn sends it to third and so on ...i don't know the chain...so each corporation interviews that H1B consultant and tries to copy his resume and pass that information to promote his own H1B consultant, which means any Consulting company not having marketing and sponsoring H1B consulting will give extreme tough time for their consultants...and all the best to those consultants going for the sponsorship of such company.

Further if an H1B consultant is lucky his resume lands in hand of prime vendor (just another contractor company) who has actually got hold of client where the requirement exists, and when that organization calls the consultant to have discussion with him; if they find that he is no US citizen or (non white) they give very cold treatment.

So my advice to all those seeking H1B and come to work in USA is to pls. read this and THINK If you are really highly qualified & US really needs your skills on H1B visa would you have to face so many difficulties. If you are so qualified and highly skilled you would actually get very well job in your own country.

If you still want to America. Best of luck and be prepared to face time of your life.
US Citizens don't have jobs so how would you get job by coming on H1B.

All the above points described by me are live examples of highly skilled people with several years experience, engineers and master degree holders.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

NotaSlave — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:54:04 -0000

This article contains some factually inaccurate information. The "slave" could have opted for a visa transfer, so the "quota ran out" excuse is bogus.
Also calling H-1bs indentured slaves is also incorrect. There is no concept of "exit visa" like saudi arabia where the employer has to give you permission to leave the country. The H-1B can resign after giving due notice and go back to his home country.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

itprousa — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:06:51 -0000

We Americans got to get back to a "I am my brother's keeper" unity.

H1 and L1 visa guest workers are a fundamental attack against the prosperity of our well being as American Citizens/ American IT workers. I encourage all the disgusted and disgruntled IT folks to expose the fraud to the best of our abilities!! Google - get out there - and let the truth be known...

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

true — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:56:16 -0000

Thats sad and true. I

In my case, I had to wait for my GC processing to begin after my 1-year tenure. I was happy for the Wednesday meeting with the GC attorney which my Manager had accepted the planner. But the same week- Monday afternoon I was laid off. Don't know where I am now.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

srg — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:37:46 -0000

Your friend has a choice. He can return to his country. He is not a "slave".

What about all of the US workers that have lost their jobs to visa holders in this country and outsourcing? I know so many people that paid for their own education and also worked very hard for their companies - devoting a good portion of their life to a company only to lose their job to outsourcing, H1Bs (and L1s don't forget). These are high paying jobs we are talking about - not fast food service jobs. Even at a reduction these employees are paid well. Especially because most of the visa holders and workers in the countries we have outsource to are younger and less experienced than their former US peers that are being laid off. At one time these people were paid entry wages as well.

This program was put in place to address a "worker shortage" in the country or cases where the company could not find skilled US workers qualified to do the work. With unemployment at 10% in many states and still rising, obviously this is no longer the case so this program should be dissolved. OR some of the stimulus package should be devoted to retraining Americans. These programs put an additional burden on our job market because spouses of some visa holders (L1 Visas) are also allowed to work. Which further negatively impacts the supply of jobs available to US workers and contributes to downward pricing on wages since these visa workers will work for much less.

It's a sad story but there are lots of outsourced jobs in your friend's country he or she can return to, evident by the high turnover rates in these countries.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

Andrew W. — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:51:32 -0000

It's definitely a sad situation. My dad went through similar issues when he tried to get his Green Card. I wish your friend the best.

Regarding the suggestion of having universities as H1B sponsors, I seriously doubt it will happen. The purpose of the H1B Visa is to have companies temporarily employee foreigners. This also ensures that the visa holder will be an income tax payer. To give universities the sponsorship power could potentially create more highly educated, but unemployed people who utilize welfare programs, instead of contributing to them.

Re: H1B holders: indentured labors of modern days?

momofuku — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:23:24 -0000

I really feel bad about your friend. He was definitely exploited and has lived a hard life the last few years. After reading your post, I couldn't find your position on this issue. So I'll just throw mine out. First of all, its a depressing world we live in, that's just life. Whatever your friend went through in our country, by some reasoning of his own, would have been better than his other option of returning back to his country. As an American, I can't feel 100% sorry for him, because he's foreigner and he is competing for our jobs. It's our governments duty to prevent immigration from being a free-for-all.

So here's my take, on the whole H1B thing. The system the way it stands now, is rife with abuse because of stories like your friends. But its also a source of opportunity, because face it, without immigrants some of us wouldn't have an IT career in the U.S. A solid 95% of my coworkers are non-American. In the companies that I have been in, at least in Silicon Valley, I have not seen one team member singled out and treated like a slave as in your friends case. The true fact is that as a team, we were all abused!
But as an American, the great thing was that I could leave if the company and its management were filled with a bunch of A-holes. So my view is that we should stop tying H1B visas to a particular company. Im not an expert on how H1B visas work, but I do know that some entity needs to "sponsor" an immigrant to make sure they're worthy of staying in our country. I say move this to our universities.